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Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Hübl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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Episode 197

June 2, 2026

Iya Affo | Uncovering the Hidden Layers of Healing

This week, Thomas sits down with historical trauma specialist Iya Affo for a deep conversation on how to navigate a dysregulated world and the cyclical nature of trauma healing.

They share wisdom on how to tread the non-linear path of both individual and collective healing, exploring how to peel back the layers in the healing process, how to find healing modalities that work for you, and the nuances of nervous system regulation in a divisive and propaganda-heavy political climate.

Iya also shares how grief and hardship can expand our capacity to love and offers profound hope for transforming our wounds into sources of empathy and service for others.

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This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Ruth Lanius, a renowned clinical researcher and psychiatry professor, for a fascinating discussion on the neuroscience of trauma healing and the critical link between the brain’s physical balance system and our emotional safety and stability.

Dr. Lanius shares groundbreaking brain-imaging research revealing how trauma creates a profound brain-body disconnect, and explains how her “Finding Solid Ground” therapy helps highly dissociative individuals restore internal synchrony, embodiment, and self-compassion.

It’s an inspiring exploration into the science of individual and collective healing, the importance of attunement in healing relationships, and the hopeful reality that our brains and bodies can recover from trauma.

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Episode 195

May 19, 2026

The Interdependent Ecosystem of Health

This week, Thomas explores how true health and healing come from an alignment across the full spectrum of your being: body, mind, emotions, relationships, environment, and spirit.

He shares the importance of embracing an integrated and holistic approach to health so we can be more regulated as we deal with the stresses of modern life and recognize our relational wellbeing as an extension of our immune system.

Tune in to understand the interdependence of our physical, emotional, and spiritual health, and why it’s important to shift from individualized focus to collective healing.

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This week, Thomas sits down with Kosha Joubert, a longtime collaborator and the CEO of the Pocket Project, for a conversation exploring the global architecture of collective healing and how we can expand beyond the lens of individual therapy to address deeply rooted collective and ancestral trauma.

With their combined years of experience working in trauma-informed care, leadership, and global healing, they share their thoughts on the next steps for humanity to address the invisible, frozen structures of trauma that inhibit our evolution and contribute to systems of harm and oppression.

By integrating top-down governance with bottom-up grassroots initiatives, Thomas and Kosha believe that communities can melt the “permafrost” of the past to liberate creative energy and agency, overcome widespread disengagement, and co-create a more integrated and resilient world.

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